Just fancied making a Poll as there is hardly ever a Poll on this Forum.

Also because i havent made my mind up yet as to a manual or Auto Supra.

My dad says Auto box would help me keep control and make it easier to use the supra's mammoth power. Also i've driven the J-Spec Manual and i have to say the clutch was VERY heavy. Is the uk car the same?

But then again you gotta love the ability to make those racing gear changes and the satisfaction of knowing the gear your in. Then on top of that is got to be tha fact you got 6 fw gears.

Tough decision

This is something your gonna need to find out yourself. Many a auto hater has ended up with an auto. The auto box on any gen supra is a marvellous bit of kit. And the manual has never been known for its smoothness.
Until you drive both, your never be able to make your mind up.
Plus with your criteria, you'll be looking for years if you set your mind on one or the other

ERm, Nick are you talkisn about the same mk3 supra I am? because the mk3 supra auto box is worse then total rubish!! -if it wasn't I'm not have gone to the trouble of swaping from auto to manual!!!!!!!

mk4 supra is a totally different kettle of fish.. and alltho I can't talk for the tip tronic, the auto is very smooth and clever, and kicks down just when you want it to!!!!


just beware of min corner kickdowns.. nothing worse then the rear wheels suddenly spinning mid tight corner!!!

Well you must of had a ******* box then Charlie, cause mines great

For sure joy of driving and knowing what to expect from the motor, the stick can't be beat.

Grabbing gears around conners is great fun...........

then if you spend much time driving is stop and go traffic. it won't take long before you want to grab the guy in front of you and pull him from his car so you can have a auto.


Plus auto's unlike clutches don't need rebuilt every 50 or so thousand miles. Labor bills, labor bills, labor bills.

My last car was a Grand Am with a Quad 4 in it. For a 4 banger that motor flew. Drove the same car and motor with a auto hooked to it.....All I can say is the auto was way slower. It wouild shift before I could get into the power band of the Quad.

So I would let the amount of traffic help decide what you want to drive/shift all the time.

[quote name='MyV6Flys' date='Dec 27 2003, 11:08 AM']
All I can say is the auto was way slower. It wouild shift before I could get into the power band of the Quad.

So I would let the amount of traffic help decide what you want to drive/shift all the time. [/quote]
Your forgetting on the supras the auto boxes are switchable, manual modes, for allowing you to change gear yourself, sports mode, allowing the engine to redline before changing gear.
They also retard the igniton during gear change (apart from when in sport mode) to get a smother gear change.

.3 of a second slower than a manual 0-60 on paper.......but in the real world they proving to be quicker, especially on the 1/4 mile runs.

Granted.. I think my torque converter had seen better days!!

[quote name='nws25' date='Dec 27 2003, 10:01 AM'] Well you must of had a ******* box then Charlie, cause mines great  [/quote]
mines great too ! although its more of a soarer box than a supra box but hey, still great.

Autos can be quicker in certain situations, dragging for a start, and are definately the better choice overall. Loads of advantages, all of which have been mentioned a thousand times on other forums. I miss a manual, but only for the launches... once you get going the auto is infinitely better.

mine was crap then

furthermore proof that this cruel world is ganging up on me

Totally manual!
i like to decide when to shift or not. I reaally dont like sport cars with auto, it some kind of odd to see that . ( Im not talking about secuential boxes...)
Auto is more for a BMW, or an Audi ( those big boring cars...) not for a supra... IMHO.

Cheers
Coyote from BA
Argentina

most of the time autos are slagged off by people who've never driven them, cant be bothered to learn how to drive them, or driven a decent one.
A decent autobox is a joy to drive, in a sports situation or otherwise and is quicker than a manual once you start going.

awww charlie, no ones ganging up on you I have no idea what the UK autobox is like to tell the truth.

Adi mate.. what you just said is EXACTLY what I used to say to peopel who slagged off auto
my 2 soarers had (I assume) the same management and gearbox as you car. its amazing... its as good as manual.. I adapted to it and it adapted to me.. we met haflway and did pretty damn well together!!!!

peopel used to annoy me when hey peered in ym soarer and said "eeeeeeewwwwww auto"

most had never drivena proper auto........ to me you cannot have an auto with under at least 200 bhp.... an most had driven their mates 50 bhp 3 speed mini auto, and disliked it.

my parents are mercedes heads.

since the day I was born my mum has ha SL after SL.. (ironic, "SL" stadn for sports lightweigt... her cirrent car weights over 1900KG and is not sporty. at all, my MG metro was more fun (no really it WAS) )
since about 85 my dad has had S classes

they are OK they are MEANT to have the best auto boxes in the world.....

-but they are crap.

you can only kickdown at the very bottom of the accelerator... (like 99.99999999999% of autos) rubbish!!!!
the toyota ones judge how you floor it.. how fast the pedal goes down and takes you driving style (that its been watching) into account.. if kickes down WHEN you want it to!!!!!!!!



they are great.. the ony thing a manual has over it is the romantic and macho shifting of gears..... which to me is whata supra is all about..., ESP a manly mk3

just my2p but

When i very occasionally have a little honda type-r, or m3, or boxster, that feel like having a go, you can actually see when they change gear, and loose even more ground, might be lazy but it's quicker. If you ever want fun just put it second, and well it think rev limiter comes in about 85-90 ish. so no real need to change.

like i say just my 2p, but i would have another supra auto anyday.

I have driven manual TT,s much the same in second and leave it. that will keep ya smiling. The other gears just give better economy.

[quote name='Karma Supra' date='Dec 28 2003, 11:08 PM']
most had never drivena  proper auto........ to me you cannot have an auto with under at least 200 bhp.... an most had driven their mates 50 bhp 3 speed mini auto, and disliked it.

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Does it count a 1999 V6 Camry?
I still prefer a manual for a sport car....


Cheers
Coyote from BA
Argentina

Have to say, I own a manual and it's not pretty to drive!! I was hell bent on having a manual supe but with hindsight I coulda got more car for the same money if I'd gone with the auto option.

It's harder to rev your engine at lights with the auto though lol

I'd say drive both and see... but if you're being picky about stuff like Uk spec etc finding the manual in good nick/low miles will be a mare!!

i have a auto mk3 turbo but would rather have the manual

man this is an old thread!

Anyway... having been lucky enough to have driven both i would say the Manual would be my preference!

People say the clutch is heavy but i didnt notice any difference to my MR2 Turbo which i owned at the time.

The Auto is just that... you should want to be able to change gears when you want.. be able to take off without keeping your foot on the brake pedal causing it stress!..

It also depends hugely on the engine, some engines suit different gearboxes...

-And yes my old gearbox was buggered, a decent mkiii auto box is as good as a soarer/mkiv, -when mated to the right engine anyway, Autos don't seem to work as well with the 2.0TTs & N/as as they have narrower power bands.

I now only have a manual supra and miss my auto. it was better when I had one of each!

I've had both auto and manual 2.8 Supra's in the past, so can see this discussion from both sides ,if you are looking from a 0-60 point of view ,then a manual 2.8 is the only way to go , as 2secs is just massive when sitting at the lights !
Yet the 3.0mk3 and 3.0tt mk4 both had the same 0-60 time auto or manual,so you can't use that excuse for not having an auto.
An auto box will cost a small mortgage if it disintegrates, i'm sure many a 2.8 and 3.0's have been sent to the breakers for just that reason.
Having been out in my manual supra today you get so much more control over the pace of the car and the rev range, so if you want to drive it with enthusiasm controlling the engine revs, a manual box is the only way to go.
Yes you can shift and auto through the gears, but its not the same.

[quote name='Bob King' post='655480' date='Jul 23 2007, 04:16 PM']Yet the 3.0mk3 and 3.0tt mk4 both had the same 0-60 time auto or manual,so you can't use that excuse for not having an auto.[/quote]

Far from it, the MK4 TT Auto is half a second slower than a manual TT 0-60. I believe the non turbo mk4's have an even bigger gap between them. Im sure the mk3 is the same (charlie will be along soon to tell us ).

I felt too out of control of my auto mk4 so got a manual mk4 which was so much more fun.

[quote name='Leeky' post='655589' date='Jul 23 2007, 09:44 PM'][quote name='Bob King' post='655480' date='Jul 23 2007, 04:16 PM']Yet the 3.0mk3 and 3.0tt mk4 both had the same 0-60 time auto or manual,so you can't use that excuse for not having an auto.[/quote]

Far from it, the MK4 TT Auto is half a second slower than a manual TT 0-60. I believe the non turbo mk4's have an even bigger gap between them. Im sure the mk3 is the same (charlie will be along soon to tell us ).

I felt too out of control of my auto mk4 so got a manual mk4 which was so much more fun.
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I did a little bit of homework last night the mk3 none turbo as a 0-60 of 8.1 whether auto or manual and the mk3 turbo as a 0-60 of 6.1 whether auto or manual ,but i couldn't find any info on the 3.00 tt mk4 UK spec

Used auto boxes are way cheaper then manual boxes because there are loadsmore of them!

As for 0-60...it depends on the car! There were 5 different engine types in the mkiii!

I used to have a MKIV TT Supra, Autobox.

It wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. Was easy driving in stop/start traffic and when you want to boot it, just plant the foot. Couldn't be easier.

The only thing I didn't like was the exhaust note when going through the gears and the fact that I got pretty bored of the autobox. I would prefer a manual if I got one again, but I wouldn't say know to an auto.

:| auto takes all the fun out of driving

might aswell own a scooter

Says the guy with the FWD shopping car!

Thats priceless... I think I'll print it out and frame it...

I'm off to join a veyron forum now and tell them that AWD is for farmers.....

Karma Supra >> thats a classic one mate

cheers mate lol

na i jst prefer manuals
always ave

but everyones diffrent

Drive an Auto supra and you'd possibly change your mind. It's not like driving an Auto vauxhall or something.

cnt say i think it will but dnt knock it till u ave tryed it

may be a while lol unless anyones willing to let a 19 year old lose with there beloved car? haha

Jimlad is wearing the hat of correctness.

Dunno about 19... I had my first auto at 17, it was a soarer TT I never thought I'd have liked autos either as my parents have always driven mercs and they didn't used to have very nice auto boxes for driving.

for fun, i would have a manual box, i like it and i like to be in control. I can see how a auto box would some times be quicker and easier.
my brother has a auto box in his mr2 and there was no difference in are acceleration when i had me mr2

i took him out in the GT4 today and he was impressed, although i did have to refuse on nemeris occasions that he couldn't take it out for a test drive

I just remembered why people think autos are not much cop last night... I drove a ew Dodge Nitro... like the FTO and some merc Autos I have driven.... it just felt like it was in the wrong gear most of the time!!

Edit: Supra autos are not like this

mines an auto it drive like a charm when your racing an rs6 you know your going to miss a gear.lol

I was in heavy traffic yesterday in the Audi. I was wishing I was sitting in the Supra, I was getting sick of stopping and starting and using the clutch!!


My GTO used to have a mega heavy clutch which was a bit of a nightmare around town.

I think its fair to say autos are excellent for some driving conditions, in town with stop start driving its the only way to go

Got to say tip gives the best of both works, not quite the same as manual but still gives you a lota fun

I was stuck in traffic for an hour today!!!! Yay for the Auto!

For about half of my work commute I with my M3 was an auto! or at least SMG!

i have 1993 twin turbo jza in auto , now i love manual cars its the feeling of control when u change and the quick start but my supra just drives beautifully in auto and has quick response when you want it so i wouldnt change it for a second

Isn't auto something that was invented for female drivers?

No it was invented so that you can keep both hands on the wheel when you have lots of power to think about....

Manual for me, had an auto on a Saab 9000T and it did nothing but slow it down and eat more fuel.

[quote name='Steigers' post='867935' date='Mar 18 2009, 04:55 PM']Manual for me, had an auto on a Saab 9000T and it did nothing but slow it down and eat more fuel.[/quote]

Saab Auto's are terrible though. Toyota make one of the (if not THE) best automatic boxes ever.

Since i started this thread all those years ago i've owned automatic and manual supras.

And my choice....

Automatic every time

The W58 isnt a bad box but weak, still my favourite out of manual Toyota boxes. The V190/V160 are good but quite clunky. The R154 is possibly the strongest box Toyota have ever made but its like an old tractor gearbox to drive.

Automatic MK4 box (totally different to the MK3 box) is a thing of beauty. It goes to show how great it is that they put the same box into the LS400, GS300, Soarer, Chaser.....

Still i guess it depends what you want from a car. I love crusing with the roof off, if your building a track car then W58 is my choice

[quote name='Leeky' post='868552' date='Mar 19 2009, 08:50 PM']Saab Auto's are terrible though. Toyota make one of the (if not THE) best automatic boxes ever.

Since i started this thread all those years ago i've owned automatic and manual supras.

And my choice....

Automatic every time

The W58 isnt a bad box but weak, still my favourite out of manual Toyota boxes. The V190/V160 are good but quite clunky. The R154 is possibly the strongest box Toyota have ever made but its like an old tractor gearbox to drive.

Automatic MK4 box (totally different to the MK3 box) is a thing of beauty. It goes to show how great it is that they put the same box into the LS400, GS300, Soarer, Chaser.....

Still i guess it depends what you want from a car. I love crusing with the roof off, if your building a track car then W58 is my choice [/quote]

Your right about the Saab auto's, you could take a nap between changes!

I like my tractor gearbox though (I believe that's what i have, you may already realise techical stuff is not my strongest point). I'll be interested to see your MK4 if we happen to be in the same place in the future.

No matter how good you claim the auto to be, i'd go for the available manual. The Auto IS slower, it DOES use more fuel and last, but not least, it takes away the feeling of driving.

The sad thing is, that the auto, that only some years ago, was only popular in The States, is starting to take over the European market as well. 10 years ago, auto was an option in some cars. A pretty expensive option. Now, it seems like the manual is the option, if available at all. And that really sucks.

Lee the MKIV A341E and MKIII A340E are pretty damn similar! Both very good.

Steve the MKIII R154 manual box is from the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Coaster"]Toyota Coaster[/url].. too cope with the Torque!!!

[quote name='Karma Supra' post='869756' date='Mar 22 2009, 08:26 PM']Lee the MKIV A341E and MKIII A340E are pretty damn similar! Both very good.

Steve the MKIII R154 manual box is from the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Coaster"]Toyota Coaster[/url].. too cope with the Torque!!![/quote]

That's my new thing learnt for monday then. The bus application explains it's chunky feeling then. It is the Yorkie bar of the gearbox world then? (groan).

I'll have to persuade someone to take me for a spin in a auto turbo sometime so I can see what I may, or may not be missing I never drove an auto when looking for my manual, I never considered it as an option but it would be interesting to experience first hand.