anyone know where i can get a 3SGE Beams engine and what the specs are? thanks

dont know but it wont be cheap as i think theyre only fitted to JDM altezza's (IS200). try fensport or jap spares

they are 210bhp,some were fitted tothe very last sw20 rev4 as well.

i have a red top FWD 3SGE BEAMS in my car .. got it for less than 1000euros .. but thats coz i am in malaysia .. and that price was over 2 years ago .. i got it used at 38000km .. from a st202 body ..
some magazines claimed 200ps for this engine .. when i got it dyno-ed .. it came as 169hp .. thats after installing air filter kits and exhausts system .. power went up to 187hp after i installed a SFAC .. 0-100kmh around the 7 sec mark ..
the other 3SGE BEAMS for the altezza is a little different coz it comes with twin vvti .. and its a RWD of coz .. claims for this engine is 210ps ..

Bit of random info

4th gen JDM 3SGE ~ 200hp, 21.0kg-m of torque. (beams.....MR2 has the red head, Altezza the black head) There was only ever 1000 MR2 beams motors made.

Cheers
KiwiMR2

it appears like a stock 3sge with either single VVTi (red top) or dual VVTi (black top).

Read tops were in the Rev5 NA Jap MR2's, Black tops were in the Altezza.

The engine mounts are different though, so a black top will not slide into an MR2 - But the heads (with the VVTi gubbings) might fit on a stock MR2 block.

so if i found a new gen 3sge engine with the red top, I could get that sucker be able to fit in my second gen mr2?

Sorry, am new to cars

i have one of these engines in my gt caldina its a black top i was surprised and disappointed to see it does not go as fast as i thought sluggish i think its because its auto a bit thirsty on the gas as well. two things very disappointing to me but besides this its a great car can anyone tell me 2 buttons next to the shifter 1 ect-pwr and ect-maul mean? i spose ect-pwr means power.

[quote name='tsunamix' date='Jan 23 2004, 05:12 AM'] so if i found a new gen 3sge engine with the red top, I could get that sucker be able to fit in my second gen mr2?

Sorry, am new to cars [/quote]
Yep u can m8. I suggest heading on over to
[url="http://www.roguesystems.co.uk"]Rogue Systems[/url]

They can provide u with the engine, and do the fitting etc.

-Z

allan101, you say you find a beams vvti engine in 1000euros? Can you help me to find one for me? It's hard to find in HK and Japan! most of us can find a ST-202 3SGE engine! Thanks a lot!

[quote name='bigmouthguy' date='Feb 13 2004, 11:14 AM'] allan101, you say you find a beams vvti engine in 1000euros? Can you help me to find one for me? It's hard to find in HK and Japan! most of us can find a ST-202 3SGE engine! Thanks a lot! [/quote]
well ... 1000euros was 2 years ago .. and i found it by chance and the fella selling it didnt know what potential this engine had .. i have other frens in malaysia looking for it as well now .. very rare item ...
but heres a pic of the engine sitting in my car ..

I got my 3S-GE beams from maleysia, I bought altezza frontcut and it sure was more than 1000euros . Now that engine and transmission are in -72 carina. I´m looking for ecu pin out diagram, any ideas where to get one?

allan101 does the big air fillter your got make a notice able difference power wise ?

The 3SGE VVTI red top was fitted into the 1998 on Rev 5 MR2, 200ps or 197 bhp roughly..supposed to be a very rapid car, i have a redtop 3sge fitted into my rev 2 mr2, cant tell you the performance yet as its still not fitted. But It has a full titanium exhaust custom built and apexi induction kit, blitz plugs, toda flywheel, and fully stripped out near enough. The engine is used in the Japanese Formula 3000 series and is good for 300bhp. Very compitent engine, so im worried to hear some people are getting figures of 169bhp, you would be getting that if the vvti wasnt kicking in?!

Gav

dear zardoz .. that big air filter u see does make a BIG DIFFERENCE .. recently i replaced that big open pod to a smaller one due to the big pod being too loud .. felt that the power drop was significant .. planning to go 4TB way if enough space in my engine bay in the future for even more air ..

dear D3S .. that engine that u are getting from a former F3000 jap car or a stock engine with mods ?? with the mods u mentioned .. u may get maybe another 5~10 hp .. depending on your setup and tuning .. u will definitely know it if your vvti wasnt working coz i accidentally disconnected my vvti sensor one day and the car was sluggish .. especially on the lower RPMs ..

FYI .. 3S engines are known to produce even more than 500hp .. the supras in the jap GT races uses them instead of the 2JZ engines .. ever wonder why ??

Look at www.fensport.co.uk

Here is a pic. of my carina 2.0 GTI with the genIII 3s-ge engine
with 175 bhp

[quote name='zardoz' date='Jan 23 2004, 09:27 PM'] i have one of these engines in my gt caldina its a black top i was surprised and disappointed to see it does not go as fast as i thought sluggish i think its because its auto a bit thirsty on the gas as well. two things very disappointing to me but besides this its a great car can anyone tell me 2 buttons next to the shifter 1 ect-pwr and ect-maul mean? i spose ect-pwr means power. [/quote]
your ect-pwr, my camry has it... with it saying pwr, your car goes faster, with it off you conserve gas

I want one of those BEAMS motors sooo bad for my Mister 2

[quote name='Bibbs' date='Jan 10 2004, 12:17 PM']it appears like a stock 3sge with either single VVTi (red top) or dual VVTi (black top).

Read tops were in the Rev5 NA Jap MR2's, Black tops were in the Altezza.

The engine mounts are different though, so a black top will not slide into an MR2 - But the heads (with the VVTi gubbings) might fit on a stock MR2 block.
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dont for get silver top, single vvti, in the celica ss II , same as the jdm 98 up mr2 g-limit..............and there were in other jdm cars too,... but i dont know which?.....

ummmmmmmmmmmmm
it does mount up,... if you remeber the mr2 mounts are mainly on the tranny, 3 of 4,.. soo if the block bolts up to the tranny then it should be fine,....... and i know i drop the altezza motor into my mr2 with parts off the red top and now im working on the harness,.... thats the hard part,.... the blocks are the same,... its just that its an aluminum block now,......... but definitely different head with vvti,....................

but any one know harness work for the altezza 3sge dual vvti? diagrams,.... any thing with wiring,...?????

Hi ? My car is TOYOTA CORONA ST191 Engine 3S GE beam Red Top 210hp

[quote name='allan101' date='Jan 5 2004, 10:58 AM']i have a red top FWD 3SGE BEAMS in my car .. got it for less than 1000euros .. but thats coz i am in malaysia .. and that price was over 2 years ago .. i got it used at 38000km .. from a st202 body ..
some magazines claimed 200ps for this engine .. when i got it dyno-ed .. it came as 169hp .. thats after installing air filter kits and exhausts system .. power went up to 187hp after i installed a SFAC .. 0-100kmh around the 7 sec mark ..
the other 3SGE BEAMS for the altezza is a little different coz it comes with twin vvti .. and its a RWD of coz .. claims for this engine is 210ps ..
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Hey Guys,

I have a project MR2 which I am about to put a Beams Black Top into. I dont anticipate any problems as I will be using the mounts from the existing 3S-GE.

Does anyone have a power/torque graph of the beams black top? Been looking everywhere.

Alan101, sorry for sounding daft but what is SFAC? I am having problems finding any after market parts for the beams engine to increase power. Can you guide me to where you got youre gear?

hey guys!

wanna put the red top beams 3s-ge into my old(89th year of built) st183 celica,
but it's not so easy to find this engine, even i japan:( some guys told me, that we can't find it in Japan! ;( so if someone can help to find the red top engine from st202 FWD celica (ssII or SSIII), on auctions or so on, pls send some info onto: climber[DOGGY]mail_dot_ru,

HI to all from Russia!

sorry for bad english

allan101,
may i know which part of u in MY?! i would like to see the red motor u drop in ur car... im currently is looking for 1 of the red motor for my current car... and also looking for 1977 celica... anyone in MY can help?!

cheers...

[quote name='96Gen3TurboMR2' date='Mar 9 2005, 12:56 PM'][quote name='allan101' date='Jan 5 2004, 10:58 AM']i have a red top FWD 3SGE BEAMS in my car .. got it for less than 1000euros .. but thats coz i am in malaysia .. and that price was over 2 years ago .. i got it used at 38000km .. from a st202 body ..
some magazines claimed 200ps for this engine .. when i got it dyno-ed .. it came as 169hp .. thats after installing air filter kits and exhausts system .. power went up to 187hp after i installed a SFAC .. 0-100kmh around the 7 sec mark ..
the other 3SGE BEAMS for the altezza is a little different coz it comes with twin vvti .. and its a RWD of coz .. claims for this engine is 210ps ..
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Hey Guys,

I have a project MR2 which I am about to put a Beams Black Top into. I dont anticipate any problems as I will be using the mounts from the existing 3S-GE.

Does anyone have a power/torque graph of the beams black top? Been looking everywhere.

Alan101, sorry for sounding daft but what is SFAC? I am having problems finding any after market parts for the beams engine to increase power. Can you guide me to where you got youre gear?
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sorry ... typo on my part ... its SAFC ... not SFAC .. hehehehehee .. APEXi super air flow converter ... all it does is just change the AFR ... anyways ... bad news for SAFC users with OBD1 or OBD2 ECUs ... the ECUs are too smart ... after initial adjustments with SAFC ... the ECU relearns and then reconfigures the fuel map in the ECU ... so SAFC quite ineffective for those with these ECUs ... OBD1 and OBD2 are vvt and vvti onwards for toyota ...

how much would an 99 altezaa be worth if it had a beams engine in it?

ones up for sale near me and wondering on the price.

[url="http://www.mr2oc.com/showthread.php?p=1323161"]http://www.mr2oc.com/showthread.php?p=1323161[/url]

There is 2 for sale.

need more specs on the 99 altezza, but DONT pay any more than £6000

I have a 98 SSIII and she definetly has more than 167 bhp I also noticed that vvti doesn't kick in until about 3500 RPM and when it does it puts me in my seat. I know how to adjust VVTI on a Honda but is it the same on a Toyota. Plus I am also trying to gat any info on aftermarket parts to upgrade, My spark plugs are going bad and no one has any info on my engine. any and all info would help thanks. There are 3 SSIII here locally in Okinawa, Japan. Mine was brought from mainland.

VVti doesnt kick in.........

regarding BEAMS black top 3s-ge engines, i have access to some btrand new ones ...for £2500

anyone know where i can find a BEAMS red top engine for my second gen. mr2? i live in the states btw. thanks all

[quote name='jabran200' date='Jul 12 2005, 12:15 PM']how much would an 99 altezaa be worth if it had a beams engine in it?

ones up for sale near me and wondering on the price.
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my cousin had one for a while, he sold it for 20,000 euros. it was a 1999 model

Hey guys, I see there is a few people here looking for the 3SGE Beams engine, I have access to 3 of these, 2 long blocks + 6 spd tranny (RWD) which are from an altezza, and a 3rd which is a half cut but has an automatic gearbox (FWD).

One of the altezza's is going in my MR2 Bathurst when i have enough saved up for the install itself, and as everone is speaking in Euro's, which is worth alot more than the aussie dollar, Providing the engines are in good condition i would be happy to set you guys up. You would however need to check what your laws on importing are though. Dont hold me to it, But i reckon they would be around the $4300-$4500 Euro price range with shipping and insurance included

If there are any interested parties could you let me know, and i'll make further inquiries.

the beams is the 4th generation 3SGE with single or dual vvti (red top or black top)

Beams doesnt kick in, VVTLi kicks in and aint found on the Beams.

what you feel at 3500rpm is probs peak torque as the power band quickens.

These engines are very rare and expensive, parts are expensive too.

Have those considering the beams also considered the 2nd or 3rd rev 3SGTE. 200 -250 bhp rev 2 easilly attainable or 240 - 300 bhp to get your juices flowing on the rev 3.

[quote name='Cubic Incubi' post='482157' date='Jan 13 2006, 08:33 PM']

Have those considering the beams also considered the 2nd or 3rd rev 3SGTE. 200 -250 bhp rev 2 easilly attainable or 240 - 300 bhp to get your juices flowing on the rev 3.
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The Carina E GTi also had the 3S-GE lump with 173 bhp, circa 95-97. They were all built in Japan so Toyota could use them for the BTCC with Will Hoy and Julian Bailey. They're a rare in the UK now although you may be lucky.

I have one which is a great Q car as the only give away is the twin exhaust pipes and a very small GTi badge.

hi guys i need help.just ripped out the 4age blacktop engine,wire harness and ecu out of my 1992 toyota fx.i bought a beams redtop with harness out of a jap spec mr2,a 99 celica 5sfe box and is currently installing them,im looking for a ecu to fit this 3sge beams motor.1 looked up a ecu and the saw numbers like89661-17561. the american mr2 had 89661-17600 and the 00 celica read 89666-20032 ,the person i bought engine from said 89661-2g080 would be the correct ecu.will any of these two american type work or does any body have a correct ecu for this setup,reply or email cyclelube@netzero.net

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FYI .. 3S engines are known to produce even more than 500hp .. the supras in the jap GT races uses them instead of the 2JZ engines .. ever wonder why ??
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weight reduction

sadly those supras never won

fancy putting a beams engine into my kp60 starlet once i make a start on it

The guy who said hes only getting 169hp wont have the vvti motor.
169 hp is for most of th estandard Celicas up to 96/97
They also have a Beams head but not vvti

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The guy who said hes only getting 169hp wont have the vvti motor.
169 hp is for most of th estandard Celicas up to 96/97
They also have a Beams head but not vvti
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No, all Beams engines have VVTI. Thats what BEAMS stands for - Breakthrough Engine with Advanced Mechanism System - i.e VVTI.

He may have a Red Top Beams 3SGE and be running it on 95ron unleaded - meaning ignition is retarded.

Or it could be a high mileage engine. Unless you have a brand new engine you cant expect it to still make the same power when its over 10 years old. Its gonna wear down with age and make less and less power over time.

Its unlikely its a non beams rev 3 engine...as 170 is roughly what it was at new...so its unlikly to still make 169 on a dyno now after all these years...

I think you're right that only the SS3 had the Beams. I was thinking of something else. Id seen YAMAHA written on a late 80's or 90's Celica engine.

Where did that thread go anyway? He must have deleted it..how do you do that!

[quote name='Golden bay NZ' timestamp='1309595102' post='1129512']
I think you're right that only the SS3 had the Beams. I was thinking of something else. Id seen YAMAHA written on a late 80's or 90's Celica engine.

Where did that thread go anyway? He must have deleted it..how do you do that!
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Yamaha was the maker of the 3SGTE cylinder head.

You'll see Yamaha on the cambelt cover of both 3SGE and 3SGTE engines (but not all, some early engines dont have a Yamaha logo). Yamaha worked on all the 3SGE's and 3SGTE's. They werent involved in the developement of the 3SFE.